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Emeth Value Capital’s Andrew Carreon on Shift4 ($FOUR)

YAVP #425

Sep 22, 2026
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Shift4 trades around six and a half times EBITDA while the company tells you organic growth is 11%. The stock was $120 eighteen months ago and it is $42 today. Andrew Carreon of Emeth Value Capital argues you are paying for zero growth or less, and he points at the piece almost nobody is tracking: the gross equipment under lease line buried in the footnotes, which has gone from a nominal $40 million before 2021 to a $400 million run rate today as Shift4 Dine gets deployed. More than 80% of those installs are net new merchants, not migrations off the legacy POS systems Shift4 already owns.

I push back on the two things that keep value investors out of this name. First, the growth wall: the easy share gains from mid-sized restaurants running 1999-era on-prem systems are supposedly gone, and once that funnel empties you are in a churn fight with Toast and Square. Second, and more common, the distrust of management: they pulled the billion dollar free cash flow guide, they paid 12 to 13 times for Global Blue, they cut the buyback in Q2 after retiring 10% of the shares in three quarters, and they still will not name the acquisition they signed. We also get into what it means that Jared Isaacman is running NASA while owning 28% of the company and buying stock in the 40s, why he might be a back pocket activist, and the $1 billion mandatory convert that explains a real chunk of the 25% short interest.


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